First, it is a safe space for specific atheist/skeptics to discuss online.
Second it is alledgedly a movement of social change run by atheists (but I have yet to see anything remotely productive come out of it) and this cannot be discussed in the safe space for fear of offfending
Third it is a reactionary position from which to write blogs and make vlogs.

These three wings cannot be reconciled.

It’s sad and true that religionists are raised (indoctrined) to think they’ve got the monopoly on Moral, but there is no need to mirror this kind of foolishness just to make Atheism more palatable to them.

In essence Atheism has nothing to do with Moral, just like politics has nothing to do with religion.

I believe in equal rights regardless of gender, religion and race. Yet I’m completely alienated by the people at FTB. And none of my podcasting hero’s appear to have noticed this issue.

Just want to say thank you, Thunderf00t.

Please go away.

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A question that frequently comes up: How to best define Atheism+? My answer: Imagine PZ Myers and the SkepChicks on a trolly with Richard Carrier at the helm. It’s inevitable that they’ll go off the rails once in a while.

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Attacking Atheism+ is like painting a target on your back and taking a stroll through the streets of Fallujah. (Where roving bands of rape gangs remain a persistent problem — oops, I was thinking of TAM.)

Case in point: I noticed that when Edwin Kagin (of Blasphemous Blogging on FTB — Kagin is sort of like what PZ would be like if he were receiving therapy*) voiced his concerns about A+, his message board exploded with comments. Ordinarily, he gets about a dozen replies to his blogs, but this time he received something like 300+.

* Actually, I admire both Edwin Kagin and PZ Myers. Though as for the latter, I sometimes have to wonder, what does it take to be a die-hard fan of PZ (which I define as someone who is a walking talking dictionary of Urban Slang and who spends 23 hours out of every day posting on Pharyngula)? Naturally, a standard-issue drool bucket is a given (to keep from drowning your laptop in saliva). Perhaps a brain severely damaged by testosterone? A lot of psychoses where you believe everyone is out to get you? A friend who is an invisible rabbit? Hard liquor (to quell the voices in your head)? Who knows.

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Two of my personal message-board axioms:

- Everyone loves a soap opera. (examples: ElevatorGate, Atheism+)

- Never become part of a soap opera (unless you’re a masochist).

Hmm, does Thunderf00t* have a huge bullseye tattooed on his back?

* 2012 winner of FTB’s coveted Banned From The Universe Forever Award.

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That said, in your initial request I think you are misinterpreting both the ridden and the importance of the etc. A dog which is ridden with flees or a body ridden by cancer is not mostly, it has a significant amolunt causing a significant problem. Adn the tec. means it isn’t just misogynists, it’s a whole host of negative character aspects.

Nice how you attempt to discredit me by assuming I’ve no idea of the nature of the internet. I do, in fact, happen to know, and it’s chock full of people who ‘rarely agree and give each other big hugs at the end’, but that’s because for the most part they’re being intellectually dishonest.

Just because the nature of the internet is intellectual dishonesty doesn’t mean it should be the norm. I find the arguments you’ve used on any given situation are well made, but the obvious goal-post shifting is stale and wasting everyone’s time.

About the only thing you can do consistently is commit argument from popularity fallacies.