Well initially I was willing to give William Lane Craig the benefit of the doubt, but I have to admit, the charity of that position is evaporating faster than dew in the desert!
So a thread was started on the ‘Reasonable Faith’ forum (forum of William Lane Craigs website).
In this drcraigvideos was making posts suggesting that he was fully legally endorsed by William Lane Craig to file these DMCAs.
Now up till this point, I was happy to believe that, “well these ‘reasonable faith’ people, they’re not crazy creationists, they must be able to see the writing on the wall here”. So, after one of the admins (Philos, who lists his profession as ‘In academia’ (wlc?)) had locked the thread earlier this evening, I wrote him a personal message telling him of the shit that they were in. How drcraigvideos claim to be legally acting on William Lane Craigs behalf made him legally culpable, and that drcraigvideos actions had a ring of truth about them given that:
1) drcraigvideos blog is directly linked on the reasonablefaith website.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/PageServer?pagename=links
2) drcraigvideos videos are directly linked to the reasonablefaith website. Damn, you only have to click the links in the scrolling banner to find this out!
I also gave him some brief background on why what drcraigvideos was doing was illegal, and why it was in their favor to take action on this themselves. Lets be real, it is at this point unthinkable given the number of emails reasonablefaith must have received that they are not aware of the situation (I also left them a voice message and asked this admin, Philos, to pass on this message to WLC). If William Lane Craig chooses to do nothing while someone acting in his name, and claiming with his permission is filing bogus DMCA claims against WLC critics, it is VERY challenging to find an academically charitable way to interpret William Lane Craigs behavior.
So I come back an hour or so later, and what do I find?
1) I’ve been banned. Cute! Being banned without a SINGLE post!
2) the ENTIRE thread of ‘Thunderf00t DMCAed in William Lane Craigs name’ has been deleted.
Can’t really screen cap something that’s not there, but look for this post yourself!
I blame myself. I had assumed that when dealing with ‘Professional Academic Philosophers’ that you might get some integrity. Instead all I’ve seen is reasonablefaith using EXACTLY and VERBATIM the methods used by PCS those many moons ago. Dig a hole, then try to delete everything incriminating as soon as possible, then claim it never happened. Shit, I’ve not seem someone scramble to delete the damning data this quickly since a creationist first donned Joker make-up! Oh yes WLC, I have EVERYTHING recorded 🙂
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Thunderf00t 
January 26, 2012 at 1:38 am |
Fascinating and disturbing turn this has taken.
With all the other false DMCs, vote bots, attacks on talk.origins, etc., it’s not a complete surprise that you’d run up against things of this ethical standard (DWF and Nephi are in completely different leagues), but it is surprising that someone as visible as WLC, and presumably his crew, would be among them.
I think it is time to start going after these false DMC claims.
I’m trying to imagine the media that could come out of this, with WLC’s name being dragged around in this mud. I’d think it would be nearly impossible afterwards for him to be able to publicly debate any credible atheist.
January 26, 2012 at 1:42 am |
Just signed up to Craigs site. Asked a simple question, lets see if I get banned. What intellectual cowards they are. Somehow I thought Craig might be different, but it would seem he’s cut from the same cloth. I emailed them as was suggested thinking they would want to take the high road. But no, into the gutter they went.
January 26, 2012 at 1:56 am |
Would you expect anything less from these lying bastards? You must get to the bottom of this, because this isn’t just about some faceless anonymous youtube-using idiot who’s filing a false DMCA; he’s being backed by someone (WLC) who’s relatively well-known in philosophy circles, albeit not in the way he intended. Throw the book at them, and then the bookcase.
January 26, 2012 at 2:32 am |
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Fucking cowards.
January 26, 2012 at 2:57 am |
Punch them through the wall, TF.
VFX was a punk kid who needed a lesson in manners.
WLC can share a cell next to Hovind.
January 26, 2012 at 3:01 am |
This guy is one of the most publically recognised poster boys for apologists, and had the benefit of (appearing) not to be as utterly insane as people like Hovind and (once again appearing) to be an academic.
The stupidity of his actions baffles me since he has so much to lose from the potential legal shitstorm this can brew and even if he gets out unsued his academic ethics could very well take a public pounding.
It’s time to shatter some illusions.
Obliterate him Thunderf00t.
January 26, 2012 at 3:31 am |
do what needs to be done
January 26, 2012 at 3:52 am |
Surprised? Not at all. How do you think creationists have been able to keep their stupidity going? I doubt it is by playing fair or logical…
January 26, 2012 at 4:24 am |
PCS was an annoying brat, and that ended like it should have
“OQ” WLC deserves to be persued to the full extent of the law!
January 26, 2012 at 4:27 am |
Thunderf00t,
Can you PLEASE prosecute these imbeciles to the fullest extent possible? By letting VFX slide you may have set a dangerous precedent that this cowardly, reprehensible behavior can go unchallenged.
Would you be able to let your followers know what your plan may be? I understand you may want to keep that private. However, please consider what I, and others are saying. To be honest, drcraigvideos and reasonablefaith are probably laughing their asses off at this whole thing and chalking it up as another victory.
I know there are many of us that would contribute toward legal action. I very much suspect drcraigvideos purgered himself by filing the false DMCA and not giving his real name. Hold his, and anyone else involved, ass to the fire and burn them back to the Stone Age, or in their case, the Iron Age, where their ridiculous, cowardly, and fascist beliefs belong.
January 26, 2012 at 7:04 am |
Agree to most of what oO0E says, but… I’m not a follower. That word sounds like Tfoot really were Jesus, buying a cross at home depot.
January 27, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
Uh, that’s Holy Depot. You can get the Vera Cruz brand Crucifiction Cross in various sizes at Holy Depot. Of course, despite the demand for crosses throughout the Red States, the fact that “Vera Cruz” is Spanish makes the TrooCross brand (one size fits all) more popular in places where there are no Spanish-speaking people, such as Texas, Arizona, and so on.
January 26, 2012 at 4:56 am |
TF, You have a lot of support out here. I hope you will do all you can to show the world the truth about these people. “Two Citations” needs his ass kicking.
January 26, 2012 at 5:21 am |
Thunderf00t, false DMCAs have plagued the YouTube community for too long. Please take this individual to court. People will generally file false DMCAs knowing there are NO consequences de facto. If you are able to show that legal action can be taken against individuals who abuse the DMCA, the crime will happen less.
Also, for the time being. Please assume good faith for Dr. Craig.
January 27, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
Why “assume good faith for Dr. Craig”? Have you heard “Dr.” Craig “debate”? To “assume good faith” for him is like assuming T. Rex used those teeth to open coconuts. He has three categories of debate technique: smarminess, fallacies, and lies. If we call the set of {smarminess, employment of fallacies, and lies} to be a subset of “turtle”, then in his case, it is turtles all the way down.
January 26, 2012 at 6:54 am |
ThunderF00t – how about you set up a little donation site? I would gladly spend a penny to see WLC take a little attitude re-adjustment.
January 26, 2012 at 10:18 am |
A legal fund for this would be a good idea.
I see a lot of people here baying for craigs blood, but seem to have little regard for the time money and effort this will take on thunderf00ts part.
Set up the donation fund and see if these fans will put they’re money where there mouth is instead of letting thunderf00t carry the whole load.
January 26, 2012 at 10:23 am |
They’re ,there
THEIR
fucki!
January 26, 2012 at 6:58 am |
Hey Thunderfoot,
Looked all over the forum and i saw neither hide nor hair of anything to do with you or a DMCA, either it’s being systematically torn down left, right and center or I’m looking in the wrong place……it’s kinda sad, but not unexpected
January 26, 2012 at 8:29 am |
I would say don’t let it slide.
Also good faith in Dr Craig. I’ll be honest, I’ve yet to see one of those who support Creationism as much as they do ever show anything worthy of “good faith”. They have bad faith, they have hypocrisy in spades, but good faith I’ve yet to see.
Prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. It’s time an example was made.
January 26, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
where is donation site i want to contribute 😀
January 26, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
You can donate via a paypal button near the bottom of TF’s main blog page.
January 26, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
No mercy dude! Go after drcraigsvideos and WLC himself with every weapon in your arsenal. No negotiations this time. Give them a deadline for response then file suit.
January 26, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
Google “false DMCA”. A successful suit against Diebold resulted in a $125k award. Youtube cases doubtfully will involve those sorts of funds but it will cover legal fees. Other finds included a google.support posting describing how to hide your real DOXs when contesting the DMCA.
January 26, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
Thunderf00t I hope you can take action that does have some bite on this matter. I would like for you to make your case why this is a violation of the DMCA. I understand he is using this to suppress free speech and criticism of on ol Two Citation, but I think you need to clarity exactly why its illegal. He says he owns the rights. Does he? If he some how proves he owns the rights to this material how does that affect this situation. I followed the VFX thing closely. Is this the same?
January 26, 2012 at 10:10 pm |
Good point. It is possible the WLC does not own the rights to those source videos. Just because you are in it doesn’t mean it is yours. There was a DMCA complaint once by a guy who claimed the use of his photo, taken from a Fox web site, was an infringement. The photo was owned by Fox so he failed in that respect.
I think the illegal part is that when the DMCA is submitted it is made clear that it is perjury to lie in it. The other issue is a “bad faith” complaint, which it seems this one is.
If you make it, the copyright is yours, even if you do not register it, but I don’t think you can sue unless it is a registered copyright. Nevertheless, copyrights allow for fair use by others, for commentary, etc.
I read of one false DMCA suit that included a significant judgement against them, in addition to losses and legal fees.
Even if money is not awarded, can you imagine WLC’s reputation after the media reports that he’s using DMCAs to suppress criticism of his views?
January 26, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
T.fool you are such a “drama quine” !!!
January 27, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
Sweet.
January 26, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
Well, well look what I found:
An interview with drcraigvideos/John Leonard from September 28, 2011.
http://rfforum.websitetoolbox.com/file?id=1203358
“Well, I made this channel to explore the thoughts of William Lane Craig. It was really just a personal study of mine.”
So right there, evidence that he was not affiliated with WLC (at least not at first when he started out on YouTube).
“What does William Lane Craig think of your channel?
William Lane Craig loves it. He left a link to the channel in reasonablefaith.org. To me, that’s a great compliment because when you have someone you respect so much actually affirming your channel, you know you’re doing something right. But my channel belongs to Reasonable Faith. I mean, I’m only using all their material! Craig is quite liberal with the videos I upload and edit. He knows I’m good for it.”
“But my channel belongs to Reasonable Faith.” is obviously not used to mean in a LEGAL sense.
DrCraigVideos has permission to use WLC’s videos, but there’s nothing written here about “being an authorized agent to act on his behalf”.
He is nothing but a fanboy, not a legal representative.
He had no right to file a DMCA in WLC’s name.
WLC should sue him too tbh, it’s a shame he seems unresponsive while his lackeys from Reasonable Faith ban people who ask questions. Really poor handling of the situation.
January 27, 2012 at 12:40 am |
That linik doesn’t seem to work. Could you perhaps post a screenshot?
Addendum: I see VyckRo’s 3rd-grade education is showing its colours yet again.
January 27, 2012 at 4:43 am |
yikes that guy is such a dick and how dishonest of him say the things that he said!
January 27, 2012 at 3:46 am |
Thunderf00t, file a lawsuit. You’ll win and bankrupt this individual. He needs to learn the consequences of perjury.
January 27, 2012 at 3:54 am |
I will soon have a very interesting video on this T.Fool guy, and his drama.
January 27, 2012 at 4:06 am |
Dude, you’re either delusional or a troll. I hope for your sake that you’re a troll.
Nobody can honestly say that TF is in the wrong. Go read up on the DMCA.
17 U.S.C. § 107
“Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:
the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
the nature of the copyrighted work;
the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.”
Thunderf00t is protected under the criticism and comment section. No where does it say that you have to CITE a source. Also, in before you say, well you can’t use 30 minutes of a movie. Thunderf00t used less than 2 minutes of a debate that was longer than 1 hour. In this case, it is fair use.
January 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
Also, what the hell does “citing source” mean (strictly legally speaking). I assume the copyright holder is William Lane Craig, well there we go, his name is mentioned anyway.
January 27, 2012 at 4:18 am |
Educate yourself on the DMCA and fair use, VyckRo. drcraigvideos is a criminal.
Although I suppose you believe the ends justify the means when it comes to saving souls. Your videos demonstrate this decisively.
January 27, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
Now I am dissapointed. “Drama quine” is a good pun.
January 29, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
if this is youtubes vyckro.
Ill believe you can make an interesting video when i see it!
Thus far all ive seen from you is laughable, delusional, staggeringly dishonest, nonsensicle, dribbling shit!
January 28, 2012 at 4:04 am |
If this shit hits the fan, I will personally donate money to the legal fund. I do not always agree with TF, but I am willing to put my dollars on the line to defend his right to criticize. This issue affects all of us, so I hope others are willing to do the same. WLC is a slimy weasel who may potentially push this to court. He has the dollars and the pride to do so. Fingers crossed he sees reason.
January 28, 2012 at 8:41 am |
Agreed. I would also donate money to the legal fund.
January 28, 2012 at 9:08 am |
Count me in also. This criminal needs to be resoundingly punished.
It’s clear that drcraigvideos considers him/herself to be above the law.
January 28, 2012 at 4:13 am |
Can’t we just get our Doctor, The f00t, to do battle with their doctor, in some sort of money making entertainment ‘game’ or something, the f00t does a shit load of physical stuff and as such should do better than the old man hopped up on illegal substances from his ‘god’. . . damnit, mud wrestling or something
January 28, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
Like most people here, I say throw the book at the weasel, and also like most people here, I’d be more than happy to throw a few quid into the legal fund to see this happen.
January 29, 2012 at 12:47 am |
I am not able to help financially now or in the near future, but I would like to help. If you need proofreading or some such task done, I would be pleased to take part.
January 30, 2012 at 11:11 am |
For those who are interested, here is a link to an interview with drcraigvideos himself (although it could be a complete fabrication from drcraigvideos himself): http://rfforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/drcraigvideos-Does-an-Interview-5513515
thunderf00t, if you want me to email you a copy of the document, please feel free to contact me.
January 30, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
I posted on the ReasonableFaith site asking about the DMCA notices. My message was polite and not offensive in any way.
Within an hour I was banned, the post taken down, and my account deleted.
January 31, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
Philosophy 101 for they layman philosopher Thunderf00t:
Oh dear thunderf00t you will never learn until you pick up a beginners book on philosophy. I would suggest that the very feeling you have of unjustice is one of the keys to seeing there is more than just a purposeless, meaningless, valueless evolutionary process at work here. So your post clashes with your standing on morality (relativism) which in conclusion entails your crying is nothing more than a meaningless opinion. Unless however what you ASSUME Dr. Craig did is OBJECTIVELY wrong.
January 31, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
One more thing Thunderf00t, I believe it is time for you to step up to the plate. How about we raise the stakes a bit by commiting to one of these 2 options.
1. Write up a peer reviewed objection to one of Dr. Craig’s arguments in a Philosophy Journal so one can take you seriously in academia or
2. Challenge Dr. Craig to a formal debate just as many of your academic “Nature did it” advocate peers have (and don’t cower away like your hero Richard Dawkins). I would hope you have gotten a little better since your stutter session with Ray Comfort, but this is where it shows you are SERIOUS and not just an obsessed troll who is all talk and no game.
I’m sure an intelligent Youtube Scientist can “easily” handle a Christian Philosopher with low H-index citations…or you can just hide behind your Youtube Videos. Balls in your court now smart guy!
February 1, 2012 at 3:34 am |
You arsehat!
Willie two cites entire act is an obuscarion of the fact that his arguement is entirely vacuos.
Start out with an unjustified asertion (that the we acrually know the conditions of the start of the universe in its current state and that the laws of the universe are the same as today)
Then pile on top of that a load of non sequeters, special pleadings, catagory errors and further unevidenced assertions, . Alll wrapped up in nonesense in such away that it makes it difficult to unpack the bullshit at the moment of debate.
How can anybody be taken in by this dishonest, imoral cunt?
February 5, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
I’ve got a PhD and a YouTube channel. I even work for a university. I’ll debate Craig. Bring it on.
February 1, 2012 at 3:26 am |
What Thunderf00 does not want you to see!
February 1, 2012 at 3:57 am |
Just watched and I stick by my earlier comment.
Fuck! Thats 20 minutes of my life I cant get back.
February 2, 2012 at 4:25 am |
Hey VyckRo retard. One of the quirks about being a retard is that the retard is oblivious to his situation. That person really can’t be blamed, only pitied.
You typed this phrase under your YouTube video: “Thunderf00t might try to flag this video.” Only a person who doesn’t understand, or can’t understand, would state that. You using psychological projection, which seems real to you, but it is a false conclusion.
FWIW, I suggest that you reevaluate you thinking… and conclusions.
GLTY
February 1, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
@VyckRo
dude, seriously, you are wasting time…….i’m also sure you are either a plant or a troll
February 2, 2012 at 2:56 am |
This thread on the Reasonable Faith forum is a discussion about the moderation of the forum and it includes a statement by the moderator on why the DMCA discussion was removed, and how the moderator made the decision.
http://rfforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1272049692&postcount=24
February 2, 2012 at 4:53 am |
did Philos himself admit to being Dr. Craig? looked like it right at the end of that post
February 2, 2012 at 5:59 am |
I don’t think so…. ?
Has someone criticised Philos on YouTube?
February 2, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
[…] What is in doubt is if the person making the claim has the blessing to make it by Craig. If not, that person can get in trouble in the courts. If so, well then Craig is wrong and we will have to see what comes of it. Thunderf00t tried contacting Craig with no luck. […]
February 6, 2012 at 4:48 am |
“Can the US Army embrace atheists?”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16859421
I closed my YT account (and Facebook[which is out of control] and Twitter, etc.) because of my concern related to Google’s new privacy policy as a matter of principle. Can’t find any other way to communicate with you.
Sandwich was interesting and about the subject matter of this article from February 3rd. Thought you might find this interesting and that you may have missed it.
February 8, 2012 at 10:24 am |
Well, the DMCA problem is clearly a YouTube systematic issue. They clearly need serious (legal) arm twisting to sort it out: http://jalopnik.com/5883057/exclusive-how-the-nfl-fumbled-chryslers-commercial
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jeetkunedo2029 surely you don’t expect anyone to click your link in the age of viruses and malware on faith, do you? This is Thunderf00t’s blog, not the uneducated.
February 13, 2012 at 1:00 am |
Meow Yuma! Good point.
‘This is Thunderf00t’s blog, not the uneducated.’
LOL GOOG ENGLAD
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